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Blog: Religion and the Afterlife
Posted at 09-21-2009 09:33
One of the things i love to do above all is contemplation and understanding. And, during one of my journey's through my thoughts i stumbled across something i found very interesting. However, to fully explain this theory, i'll go through my entire thought process. I encourage anybody to make counter statements and arguments (But only thought driven ones). I am, unofficially a scholar and a ??? so i love to hear the thoughts and opinions of others.
To start, a while back i was talking to a friend, who mentioned somewhere in the conversation that all things happen for a reason. This was in context with the rest of the conversation but i do not remember much else about it. This got me thinking
Most, if not all religions that have a God, believe that all things happen for a reason. That their God has a divine plan that everything fits into, and is a good plan. So, if all things happen for a reason, then ALL things happen for a reason. There is no 50/50 in this case, its an all or nothing deal.
Also - God (I will use this as a general term for all religions with this believe) is a good being, who loves his children entirely. And that God is just, and does not punish anybody wrongly, even if it feels as if one is being punished at the time for seemingly no reason.
So, if we can say that God is just, and that everything that happens in the world is done for a good reason, even if it does not seem so at the time, then Hell cannot exist in the definition that most religions say it does.
For example, If a man kills another man simply because he feels like it, this may look like a random act of violence with no good side to it. But if the father/son/friend ect. of the killed man takes it upon himself to rid the world of all evil then this could be construed as a good thing. Now, 1 death of a good man = 50 deaths of bad men.
However if God loves all his children then this would seem even worse. But, as all things happen for a "Good" reason, then this may cause the entire world to fall into an era of peace because of realization that death is a terrible thing. I know, this is not a great example, but it is, none the less, an example.
So, it would be said that all those evil people would go to hell and burn for all eternity because they were bad people. But, as all things happen for a reason, then they too were bad men for a reason. And if all reasons happen for the grand plan that is ultimately good, then they were bad men for a good reason.
And, as God is just, he would not punish those who did a good thing. It just doesn't make sense.
I have come to the conclusion that Hell may very well be an awful place, but not in the exact same way that religion says.
I am strong in the belief that there is a God, there is a Heaven, and there is a Hell. However, unlike what most religions say, it is not a definite destination. It would make sense, given the description of God, if Hell is a mer pit-stop on the road to eternal life and happiness.
A place to stop to reflect on your life and understand what you did, and learn where your life fits into the grand plan.
I'm sure i did a terrible job in explaining my idea, but when i think, its very erratic, so typing down my thoughts in an orderly fashion can some times be difficult.
Again, i welcome any counter arguments and discussion. Please keep it civil, logical, and friendly. Quoting a single bible or other holy book phrase as a single proof will get no-where and i will delete your comment. However, if you use a phrase and comment on it, explaining your position and why it is relevant, that is fully acceptable. Please keep an open mind about this. Again, anybody posting comments saying they know the answer 100% will be deleted. I've come to realize that nobody, regardless of how much they think they do, knows the answer to the afterlife. It is purely down to belief, and trust.
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GamerMan 
Posted on: 09-22-2009 17:10
Because nobody ever turns around and properly thinks about why "God" didn't make us perferct.
Hence atheism.
Not much else to say really... just try and look at it from an atheist's point of view and understand how we just can't believe it. |
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pimpske 
Posted on: 09-23-2009 09:23
GM - I can actually answer that question.
To put it simply, to be perfect, is to be 100% exactly the same as every one else who is perfect. Opinions are created from ignorance, from a lack of knowledge. If you have 100% available knowledge, then there is no room for an opinion. And, as God wanted us to have free-will, he couldn't make us perfect. By making us flawed we can learn, and grow, and return to him by will, not by default.
Secondly. From my scientific knowledge, it is impossible for there not to be a God. Life is not created from nothing. The process for making life is so incredibly complex that it is literally and scientifically impossible for it to ever happen. The living cell - The smallest form of life, is more complex that our most expensive and powerful super computers. They literally have millions of motors, and engines inside them running and working together.
Darwins theory was based off the belief that Cells were a pile of living goo with nothing special about them. He himself said, that if cells were even the least bit complex, then evolution would be completely disproved.
Now, there may, and probably are, other theories to explain our beginnings other than evolution, but in every single one, there will still be the problem of where the very first cell came from.
They are at a stage called "Maximum Simplicity" meaning if you remove absolutely anything from them, they will cease to function and die.
(I was going to put another tid-bit of info here but an asshole on MSN made me forget)
SB - About the love thy neighbour. I had also thought about that, But not only should you love thy neighbour, but also - Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone. I know for a fact that every single bloody person in this world has sinned at least once. And, as you've already commented, all sins are equal. So, stealing a candy bar, murdering your grandma, and fucking a dude is all the same. Unfortunately, I've found that most Christians use the bible and its sayings only when it works best for them, and their biases. |
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GamerMan 
Posted on: 09-23-2009 11:43
"The process for making life is so incredibly complex that it is literally and scientifically impossible for it to ever happen. "
The stories of Jesus are more impossible to believe than the creation of life |
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pimpske 
Posted on: 09-23-2009 21:26
But not every religion has Jesus. One doesn't need to believe in Jesus to believe there is a God. The Jews - pretty much the first people to believe there is only one God, don't believe in Jesus. He may have existed, he may not have, his stories and teaching may not have been ment to be taken literally. It could be that turning water into wine is a metaphor for something lost in time. Don't forget this all happened +2,000 years ago through a million translations. So theres bound to be a great deal lost through translations and bias translators. And trust me, numerically speaking its more likely that i can morph into a car than life happening from nothing. |
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game chicken 
Posted on: 09-23-2009 21:42
I think a god made us and put all these half evolved bones to mess with us.It is the most likely thing that happened |
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GamerMan 
Posted on: 09-23-2009 21:47
I agree with you there pimpske, I think his stories are just fictional stories created.
However the one thing we will never agree on is the existance of a god. |
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game chicken 
Posted on: 09-23-2009 21:49
until you die then you might know or a god appears to humans(my friend is positive that he saw jesus) |
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GamerMan 
Posted on: 09-23-2009 21:54
Knowing anything after you die - IMO - is absurd. |
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